Can a system-prompt rule make an LLM agent drop secondary information without breaking the answer? A 3-run study.
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Abstract. We tested whether a single dispositional system-prompt rule can make an LLM agent (Claude Opus 4.8) omit true-but-secondary information it would otherwise volunteer, without breaching a quality floor (the load-bearing core of the answer must survive). Across three pre-registered, blind-graded experiments (ten distinct rules across three runs, N=6–8 fresh-context agents per cell), the headline finding is negative: no single rule is both forceful and general. Rules that let the model judge what is “necessary” hold the floor perfectly but drop only as much as no rule at all (~71%); rules that remove the model’s discretion (a hard length cap, or “output only the #1 point”) drop far more (~88–92%) but put the floor at risk. The floor-vs-dropping tradeoff appears fundamental to this rule family: you can guarantee the core survives, or you can force aggressive dropping, but not both from one instruction.
The headline picture. Each point is one rule, pooled over five task modes. Down-and-right is what you want — drop a lot (high y) while keeping the core (high x). The top-right corner stays empty: forceful rules (red) buy their drop-rate by surrendering floor; floor-safe rules (blue/grey) sit at the no-rule baseline on dropping.
1. Motivation
LLM agents over-share. Asked for a root cause and a fix, a model will often also volunteer the tech stack, the team roster, the deploy pipeline, three caveats, and an offer to elaborate — all true, all secondary. The reader then has to do the distillation the model declined to do. A common mitigation is a concision instruction in the system prompt (“be brief”, “lead with the point”, “cut the rest”).
We wanted to know whether such a rule actually works — specifically whether it makes the model drop secondary content, and at what cost to answer quality. “Be brief” is the easy, lossy version (cut length, including the core). The interesting target is a rule that cuts the secondary material the reader didn’t need while keeping the load-bearing core intact. This note evaluates a family of candidate rules against two objective metrics, so the choice of concision prompt can be made on evidence rather than taste.
2. Method
Hermetic agents. Every measured output is a fresh-context agent invocation (model claude-opus-4-8), given only [rule prefix]\n\n[task] — no hint it is in an experiment, no mention of “secondary facts”, “drop-rate”, or grading. No shared state across cells.
Two objective metrics, per output:
- Drop-rate =
1 − (pre-registered secondary facts mentioned / total secondary facts). Higher = more dropping = the goal. The secondary-fact detector is deliberately generous (any surfacing of an item, in any polarity, counts as “not dropped”), so drop-rate is a conservative lower bound on how much the model actually dropped. - Floor-pass (binary): the pre-registered core of the answer is present and correct. For multi-point tasks, floor-pass requires all core elements. A confidently-wrong or amputated answer fails.
The win condition: highest drop-rate among rules that hold floor-pass at (or near) 100%.
Pre-registration. For each task we wrote the exact core checklist (the floor) and an enumerated list of true-but-secondary facts (the drop denominator) and committed them to disk before generating any agent output (verified by file mtime vs. run timestamps). Detectors and rubrics were fixed up front.
Blind grading. Outputs were graded against the pre-registered checklists by a separate fresh-context grader given only [output] + [rubric] — not which rule produced it. Secondary-fact presence used mechanical regex/string detection; every core/floor verdict was made by the blind LLM grader, with hand-checks on semi-subjective floors.
Scale. Run 1: 7 rules × 3 tasks × N=6 = 126 agents. Run 2: 4 rules × 5 tasks × N=7 = 140 agents (+140 blind graders). Run 3: 4 rules × 5 tasks × N=8 = 160 agents (+160 blind graders). All claude-opus-4-8.
3. The prompt spectrum (verbatim rules, grouped by mechanism)
We group the rules by how they try to induce dropping. The key axis: does the rule leave the model to judge what is necessary (a disposition), or does it remove that discretion with a mechanical constraint?
Control
R0 — no concision rule. Empty prefix; the agent receives only the task. Measures baseline over-sharing.
Judgment-prompts (the model decides what is “necessary”)
R1 — lossless distillation.
Write the shorter letter. Concision is work you do so the reader doesn’t — distill it yourself. Lead with the point; make every word load-bearing; default to the shortest form that carries it. This is not ‘be brief’: keep everything necessary and cut only the rest. Banned is the lazy long version, not length.
R2 — flip-the-default.
Default to the shortest possible answer. Length is the exception you must justify — not brevity. When in doubt, leave it out: omitting a true-but-secondary point is correct, not a lapse.
R4 — license-the-loss + name-the-bug.
Give only the single most useful thing and stop. Dropping true-but-secondary information is the skill, not a failure — your instinct toward thoroughness is the bug here. Do not hedge, caveat, or add context the reader didn’t ask for. Trust the reader to ask if they want more.
R-ACT — adaptive action-test.
Before including anything, ask: would cutting it cost the reader what they came for — the decision, the understanding, or the laugh? If not, cut it. No fixed length: keep exactly what serves that, drop the rest. For a reader who didn’t ask for this at all (e.g. an unsolicited email), the bar is higher — every line must earn the interruption.
S1 — force + floor-guard (necessity framing).
Include only what the answer would be wrong or incomplete without — the load-bearing points. Drop everything else: context, caveats, alternatives, background, preamble, hedges. If one point suffices, give one; if three points are each necessary, give exactly those three and nothing more. Add nothing the reader didn’t need to get the answer right.
S2 — force + floor-guard (rank-by-necessity framing).
Rank everything you could say by necessity. Output every point the answer would be incomplete or wrong without — then stop. Omit all merely-relevant, supporting, or contextual material. Your length should equal the number of load-bearing points: no fixed limit, but nothing beyond what is strictly required.
Discretion-removing (mechanical constraint, not a judgment)
R3 / R-CAP — hard length cap.
Answer in at most 2 sentences OR 3 short bullets. No exceptions, no preamble.
R6 / R-RANK1 — rank everything, output only #1.
Internally rank every point you could make by how directly it answers the question. Output ONLY the #1 ranked point — the single highest-value sentence — and nothing else. Do not list runners-up, do not explain what you left out, do not add background. One point, then stop.
Combined
R5 — R3 + R2 + R4 concatenated (the hard cap plus both dispositional framings stacked, to see whether cap and disposition compound).
4. Results
Run 1 — 7-rule drop test (3 single-unit decision tasks: incident root-cause, meeting-decision, DB choice)
Every Run-1 task had a core expressible as one unit (cause + fix), so “output only one point” and a tight cap can hold the floor trivially. This run establishes the monotonic ranking of the rules on dropping.
Pooled across the 3 tasks (N=18 per rule):
| Rule | Mechanism | Drop% | Floor% | Mean words |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| R0 — control | none | 63 | 100 | 192 |
| R1 — lossless | judgment | 80 | 100 | 135 |
| R2 — flip-default | judgment | 90 | 100 | 97 |
| R4 — license-the-loss | judgment | 95 | 94 | 54 |
| R5 — combined | cap + judgment | 95 | 100 | 49 |
| R3 — hard cap | mechanical | 96 | 100 | 57 |
| R6 — rank-only | mechanical | 97 | 100 | 37 |
On single-unit cores, dropping climbs monotonically with how forceful the instruction is — from 63% (no rule) to 97% (rank-only) — and the floor holds for all but R4. This clean ranking does not survive contact with multi-point cores (next section).
By task (drop% / floor% / words):
| Task | R0 | R1 | R2 | R3 | R4 | R5 | R6 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T1 incident | 80 / 100 / 293 | 91 / 100 / 216 | 90 / 100 / 167 | 100 / 100 / 78 | 98 / 100 / 92 | 98 / 100 / 77 | 100 / 100 / 45 |
| T2 meeting | 85 / 100 / 84 | 86 / 100 / 68 | 94 / 100 / 64 | 96 / 100 / 44 | 99 / 83 / 30 | 99 / 100 / 33 | 100 / 100 / 34 |
| T3 DB choice | 24 / 100 / 199 | 64 / 100 / 121 | 87 / 100 / 60 | 91 / 100 / 51 | 89 / 100 / 41 | 89 / 100 / 36 | 91 / 100 / 33 |
On these single-unit cores, dropping rises monotonically with forcefulness and the floor mostly holds — R6 (rank-only) wins outright. The one breach (R4 on T2, floor 83%) is the first hint that an over-aggressive “give only the single most useful thing” can drop a required element. This ranking does not survive contact with multi-point cores (Runs 2–3).
Runs 2 & 3 — generality across 5 task modes, plus synthesis rules
Runs 2 and 3 add tasks whose pre-registered core has three independent, non-substitutable required points (MP1: a Postgres migration needing three distinct safety fixes; MP2: three unrelated travel questions in one message), plus three non-decision modes — TEACH (explain recursion to a beginner), ROAST (a funny roast of JavaScript), COLD (an unsolicited cold email). Run 3 adds the two synthesis rules (S1, S2: “forceful, but keep exactly the load-bearing points”) and re-runs R-RANK1 / R-CAP within the same grading batch for a clean comparison; R0 and R-ACT are cited from Run 2.
Master table — drop% / floor% / mean-words (R0, R-ACT: N=7 cited from Run 2; S1, S2, R-RANK1, R-CAP: N=8 from Run 3):
| Rule | MP1 (3-pt) | MP2 (3-pt) | TEACH | ROAST | COLD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| R0 — control | 60 / 100 / 423 | 45 / 100 / 292 | 57 / 100 / 519 | 93 / 100 / 357 | 98 / 100 / 213 |
| R-ACT — action-test | 53 / 100 / 405 | 50 / 100 / 252 | 61 / 100 / 449 | 95 / 100 / 345 | 95 / 100 / 213 |
| S1 — force + floor-guard | 64 / 100 / 302 | 50 / 100 / 213 | 66 / 100 / 345 | 94 / 100 / 350 | 97 / 100 / 178 |
| S2 — force + floor-guard | 57 / 100 / 331 | 47 / 100 / 279 | 58 / 100 / 387 | 98 / 100 / 343 | 100 / 100 / 194 |
| R-CAP — hard cap | 75 / 100 / 148 | 70 / 100 / 114 | 94 / 100 / 108 | 100 / 100 / 71 | 100 / 100 / 90 |
| R-RANK1 — rank-only | 89 / 13! / 75 | 70 / 63! / 104 | 100 / 50! / 60 | 98 / 100 / 60 | 100 / 88! / 76 |
! = floor breach (a required core element was dropped).
Floor-pass by rule × task. Green = the core survived; only rank-only (bottom row) goes red, and only on the answers whose core is several non-substitutable pieces. "Output just the #1 point" literally amputates points 2 and 3 of a three-element answer. ROAST survives every rule because a roast's whole core fits in one sentence.
Pooled (drop% / floor% / words):
| Rule | All 5 tasks | Multi-point (MP1+MP2) | Creative (TEACH+ROAST+COLD) |
|---|---|---|---|
| R0 — control | 71 / 100 / 361 | 52 / 100 / 358 | 83 / 100 / 363 |
| R-ACT — action-test | 71 / 100 / 333 | 51 / 100 / 329 | 83 / 100 / 335 |
| S1 — force + floor-guard | 74 / 100 / 278 | 57 / 100 / 258 | 85 / 100 / 291 |
| S2 — force + floor-guard | 72 / 100 / 307 | 52 / 100 / 305 | 85 / 100 / 308 |
| R-CAP — hard cap | 88 / 100 / 106 | 73 / 100 / 131 | 98 / 100 / 90 |
| R-RANK1 — rank-only | 92 / 63! / 75 | 80 / 38! / 90 | 100 / 79! / 65 |
Where R-RANK1 breaches (per-core-element pass rate, Run 3): it reliably keeps the single top point and drops the rest. MP1: keeps the backfill fix (c_a=100%) but drops the foreign-key fix (c_b=13%) and the NOT-NULL fix (c_c=13%). MP2: answers only the visa question (c_1=100%; c_2=c_3=63%). TEACH: states termination via analogy but not an explicit base case (c_correct=50%). COLD: sometimes collapses into advice about the email instead of an email (purpose/ask/why=88%). ROAST is the lone exception — 100% across every rule, because a roast’s soul is a single joke that fits in one sentence.
Significance (pooled, all 5 tasks; two-proportion z on drop-rate):
- S1 vs R0: z = 0.68 — indistinguishable from no rule.
- S1 vs R-CAP: z = −3.49; S2 vs R-CAP: z = −3.61 — S1/S2 drop significantly less than the cap.
- S1 vs R-RANK1: z = −4.46 — S1/S2 drop significantly less than rank-only.
- S1 vs S2: z = 0.38 — the two synthesis framings are equivalent (result robust to phrasing).
Cross-run reproducibility. Re-running R-RANK1 and R-CAP in Run 3’s separate grading batch reproduced Run 2 to the point on drop-rate: R-RANK1 92% (Run 3) = 92% (Run 2); R-CAP 88% / 100% floor = 88% / 100%. (R-RANK1’s multi-point floor came out milder in Run 3 — 38% vs 29% — N=8 sampling variance on a dispositional rule; the breach mechanism is identical.)
5. Findings
(a) Judgment-prompts drop at baseline levels. Every rule that leaves the model to decide what is “necessary” — lossless distillation, flip-the-default, the action-test, and both synthesis rules S1/S2 — drops at ~71–74% pooled, statistically identical to no rule at all (z ≈ 0.7), while holding the floor at 100%. Given a content-adaptive license to “keep what the answer is incomplete without,” the model rationalizes most secondary material as load-bearing and keeps it. Stacking a forceful “drop everything else / rank by necessity / then stop” clause on top of the floor-guard (S1/S2) did not change this — once the model has discretion, it under-cuts.
(b) Discretion-removing rules force real dropping but risk the floor. A hard cap (R-CAP, ~88% pooled drop) and rank-only (R-RANK1, ~92%) drop dramatically more than any judgment-prompt — but by mechanisms that threaten the core. Rank-only is actively dangerous on multi-point answers: “output only the #1 point” amputates points 2 and 3 of a three-element core, collapsing the floor to 13–63% on the multi-point tasks and gutting teaching and cold-email. A fixed cap holds only while the core fits its budget: R-CAP held 100% here because a “3 short bullets” branch happened to fit a 3-element core (one terse bullet per required point) — push the core past three bullets and the cap will breach where a judgment-prompt would not.
(c) The tradeoff is fundamental for this rule family. Across ten distinct rules and three runs, no single dispositional instruction delivered both a 100% floor guarantee and forceful-level dropping. The rules that guarantee the floor sit at the no-rule baseline on dropping; the rules that drop aggressively do so only by removing the discretion that protects the core. You get one or the other from a single instruction, not both.
(d) Creative/short-form content survives every rule. The ROAST floor held at 100% under every rule, including rank-only’s single sentence — a one-liner’s soul fits in a sentence, so the forceful rules compressed it rather than killing it. The fragility is specific to multi-point answers and to teaching/email content where the core is genuinely several non-substitutable pieces.
6. Recommendation (conditional — there is no single best rule)
The right choice depends on whether your answers have a hard quality floor and whether their cores fit a small budget.
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You need a hard floor (varied or open-ended content, emails, teaching, anything where dropping the core is unacceptable): use the adaptive action-test rule (R-ACT). It held the floor at 100% on every task and never amputates a multi-point core — but expect only baseline-level dropping; it mainly trims preamble and scaffolding, not secondary facts.
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You want real dropping and your cores fit a small budget: use a hard cap (e.g. “≤2 sentences or ≤3 bullets, no preamble”). It was the only rule that achieved both high dropping (~88%) and a 100% floor in these tests. Manage its single failure mode — a core genuinely larger than the budget — by sizing the cap to the domain, or adding a narrow “expand only if the answer is literally incomplete” escape clause (the valve). A follow-up A/B (below) tested that valve directly: it does not get abused to keep fat, so it is safe to add; its rescue benefit went unproven only because this model never breached the bare cap to begin with.
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Rank-only (“output just the single most important point”) is dominated: it drops the most but breaches the floor the worst. Use it only for genuinely single-point answers.
7. Caveats
- Sample size. N=6–8 per cell (≈18–40 per pooled rule). Small differences are noise: R-ACT 51% vs R0 52% on multi-point dropping is within noise — read it as “R-ACT ≈ R0”, not “<”. The significant effects are the z ≈ 3.5–4.5 gaps (S1/S2 vs the cap and rank-only) and the rank-only floor collapse; those are real and reproduced across runs.
- Single model as author and grader. The same model family (Claude Opus 4.8) produced and blind-graded the outputs. Same-family grader bias is possible, though the grader was fully blind to which rule produced each output and the rubrics are mechanical-ish. Results may not transfer to other models.
- Semi-subjective floors. The TEACH and ROAST floors are judgment calls. The ROAST grader agreed with a human hand-read on 28/28 outputs. The rank-only TEACH breach hinges on a strict reading (“the base case must be explicitly stated”); under a lenient “conveys that it terminates” reading, rank-only’s TEACH floor would be higher. All MP1/MP2/COLD floor calls are objective and were spot-checked against source text.
- Cold-email metric nuance. The pre-registered secondary set for COLD scored in-body padding (pleasantries, flattery, a credentials dump). But the model’s dominant over-share on cold emails was meta-scaffolding around the email (a preamble, a coaching “Notes:” block, a trailing “want a shorter variant?”) — which the pre-registered set did not score. An exploratory (non-pre-registered) scaffolding metric showed the judgment-prompts strip the preamble but keep the coaching block (they stay in “helpful assistant” mode, which is part of what limits their dropping), while the discretion-removing rules emit the bare artifact. The pre-registered set was not changed post hoc; this is flagged as the one place the headline drop-rate scored the wrong axis for one task.
- Detectors are generous. Secondary-fact detection counts any surfacing of an item as “not dropped”, so reported drop-rates are conservative lower bounds.
Follow-up: does the valve actually fire?
Added 2026-06-23, after the original study above. Same methodology (pre-registered, objective + blind-graded, hermetic `claude-opus-4-8` per datapoint) as Runs 2–3.
The recommendation above hands the hard cap a single escape clause — the valve — and admits it was untested. So we tested it. The A/B is the minimal one: two rules byte-identical except for the valve.
- R-CAP (control): “Answer in at most 2 sentences OR 3 short bullets. No exceptions, no preamble.”
- R-VALVE (candidate): the same cap plus “Treat it as a hard limit, not a target. Go over only when the answer is factually wrong or unusable without the extra — ‘relevant’, ‘thorough’, or ‘might help’ never qualify.”
Two pre-registered hypotheses. H1 — the valve is not abused: the model doesn’t read “unless it’d be wrong/unusable” as license to keep fat and drift back toward the no-rule ~71% baseline. H2 — the valve rescues the floor: when a necessary core genuinely can’t fit the cap, the bare cap is forced to amputate a load-bearing point and the valve lets it overflow to keep all of them. N=5 per cell. The abuse tasks reuse the small/creative cores from the main study (the migration review, the JS roast, the cold email); the rescue tasks are two purpose-built six-point safety cores — how to jump-start a dead battery, and how to use an EpiPen — each with six load-bearing points engineered to overflow “3 short bullets.”
| Pooled cell | R-CAP — drop% / floor% | R-VALVE — drop% / floor% |
|---|---|---|
| abuse (small cores) | 92.7 / 100 | 91.2 / 100 |
| MP-BIG (six-point cores) | 95 / 100 | 88.3 / 90 |
H1: confirmed. On the abuse tasks the valve tracks the bare cap almost exactly — 92.7% vs 91.2% drop, a 1.5-point gap, nowhere near collapsing toward the 71% baseline — and the floor stays 100% under both. The valve is not exploited to keep fat. (Words rise modestly under the valve, but that is denser phrasing, not retained secondary material; drop-rate, the fat metric, held.)
H2: inconclusive — and why is the actual result. The rescue test needs the bare cap to breach, and it never did: R-CAP held the floor at 100% on both six-point cores, all ten runs. Opus 4.8 simply packed six load-bearing safety points into three dense bullets — correct terminal order, the spark/explosive-hydrogen rationale, the reverse-disconnect order, all present and correct under the blind grader, not leniency. With nothing forcing R-CAP to amputate, the valve had nothing to rescue. Per the pre-registered read, that lands as inconclusive, not as support — a six-point core wasn’t big enough to stress this model’s cap. (The lone floor miss in the whole run was R-VALVE dropping one minor caution on one jump-start output, 1-in-5 — the valve scoring worse by noise, the opposite of a rescue.)
Verdict: keep the valve as prescribed. It is costless — demonstrably not abused — and it is the correct insurance wording for the case where a genuinely-oversized core would force the bare cap to amputate. We just never got to watch it work, because the model is too good at compression for a six-point core to make the cap bite. Actually proving the rescue would take a core of ~8–10 genuinely independent points, or one where each point needs its own sentence so dense-bullet packing can’t save it.
The clean one-liner: a study that set out to test the valve instead measured how absurdly compressible this model’s output is. A full six-step safety procedure fits in three bullets without losing a point.
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